John, Thank you including tht link. All we get is "soundbites" from the regular media. I was also there. And I see a man with experience, compassion, skills and a willingness to take on the problems we face. I'm sure he will put in an excellent team of people to tackle the tasks necessary to get us back on track. I was pleased to see so many young people there as well.

I was there, too. He was great. The audience was pumped. On less than 24-hours notice we filled the hall and had a big crowd outside! He MUST WIN!

I'll post this video on TC tonight.

sort of like the bush administration susan you should try growing a brain cell i dont want a president who follows a made up religion. or goes into speaches with incorrect facts what it looks to me like you are a racist who dosent understand the real world romney has no plan or platform for that matter. hes just another nazi wanting to spread our disease to the rest of the world. the idiot will immediately get us into war just like his boyfriend GW because guys like him think that war is profitable but in reality its only profitable to him he will burn in hell one day you wait and see.

Yes, because the only people who count are from Mt. Airy! Please ..

This is what happens when you only watch MSNBC.

This is actually a reply to Mike bellow. You really don't have a clue as to what is going on. You are so blindly led by your fears of being misplaced that you are willing to sell your country to the person who looks most like you. Do the research you are not special you are one of the masses that Mitt so easily tosses aside because yes even you sir are drain to his wallet. You might wants to be enslaved but I sure as hell don't. Do the research look at the man your supporting not the color of his skin. Do what is right for the greater good of all. Remember this country was based on equality and freedom for all. That why the laws you dislike so much were set in place to give everyone an equal chance. Why are you staking the cards against yourself?

"Bellow"? Really, you had me looking down the comments to find this "Mike Bellow" guy. But that's not my point. My point is that it seems the only card the left has left is the race card. Frankly, I am over being sick of it. You will not shame good people into believing they are racist just because they disagree with the President. I know that I am not racist, but I am wary of incompetent and destructive leadership. I don't think any of us need to prove that we aren't racist-- but you need to prove why we should vote for a President who has allowed us to spend trillions of dollars and have nothing to show for it.

Wow ... I've NEVER had the Race Card played on me before ... especially when I NEVER even mentioned race as a factor in my decision.

Tanya, I wouldn't go so far as to swear I know from where you developed your twisted view of political discourse in this country; but I will tell you this ... NOTHING ELSE you said in that blathering rant will be taken seriously by anyone else, since you obviously can't make a basic distinction between political opposition and racial animosity.

People like you (Please read that to mean ignorant, incapable of handling dissenting opinion.) are a major reason why politic discourse in this day seems to take on such an offensive smell!

Tonya: As someone who is pretty much constantly on the other side of the aisle from Mike on almost every topic, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he's a stand up guy and race doesn't factor at ALL in his decisions or beliefs regarding politics. Conversely (as someone who voted for Obama in 08 and will be voting for him next month as well) I think it's interesting that you mention about voting for someone just because of the color of his skin when something like 90% of African American voters support Obama. You can't have it both ways in complaining about one race/party is doing it while failing to acknowledge it on our side as well.

@mike, fox news is the only honest news station ! And tbh who in their right mind would listen to Rachael Maddow ! The other stations are run by the Jewish maffia, they pretty much run the country! The voters are being brain washed into voting for a president who can not run a country! Let alone help our own Americans in Libya and who has never has had any success other then his free rides through College Prep, College and Law School .....

Tonya Strickland ! Let's not forget "The Anointed One " .....was raised by his White Mother an Grandparents! He is suffering from a identity crisis and it is causing our country great harm ...... Stop with the race card , it's old ! And your comment made no sense and needs to be deleted. You really need to stop being a bigot and move on !

Ignorant people will challenge Elle's comment, that Fox News is the most fair and balanced. A scientific survey from the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University in D.C. proved that Mitt Romney is by far getting the most negative press in the broadcast and the cable channels. Interestingly enough, the most negative press comes from NBC. They have 73 percent negative to 27 percent positive stories about the race. Meanwhile, the most balanced coverage, Fox: 53 -- 52 percent positive, 48 percent negative.

A great link, shows other studies they've done. http://www.cmpa.com/studies.htm

@ Mike lombardi , please tell me why you will be jumping onto the Titanic on election day????? In all honesty would like to know why you will be voting for a ship that has sunk??? It's mind boggling !

Are all Philadelphians 'suppose' to fall in line with Obama ? That is not how it is.

sorry but romney is a trust fund baby and very unintelligent he is about a half a point above GW on the iq scale which make his lies seem more real because he can spit them out like he knows what hes doing. get real the guys a idiot look at the fact of how many different states he tried to be a gov in and was turned away and the state that tkes him is a state like mass. ive never met a person from there that wasnt an ass.

A Republican Gov from Mass is extreme? Mitt is far too middle of the road for me and wasn't the top choice of most Conservatives. Spare us the extreme tag.

Obama, the most liberal Senator ever to take our Oval Office, and you think Romney is "extreme"? Obama, who voted for infanticide?!

Obama, coming from along history of associating with Communists and friends like Terrorist Bill Ayers. And Romney's extreme?

Obama, who is submitting our country to Sharia Law with the Blasphemy laws fro the UN -- and Romney is extreme?

A vote for Obama is a vote to end America.

Because we've gotten so much "leadership" - especially Economically - from this President.

And if you think Obama doesn't have a lot of 1% interests, then I guess you missed the opportunity for the "Superbox Treatment" at The President's DNC acceptance speech that cost $1.5 million per person! How many 99%s could afford THAT?!?

Thanks for your reasoned argument, Joseph. I'm sure that the current president had nothing to do with the billions sent to his cronies in the "green" energy industry, like Solyndra, which lost 535 million dollars of public funds. Even with an additional $25 million tax break from CA (rather inadvisable for a state with its economy in the toilet), the company failed. That's cronyism that would make any 1%-er proud!

I lived in Boston while Mitt was there. There's a reason he left office with a 36% approval rating. His austerity programs cut so hard on teachers, police, roads, etc. that property taxes rose 22% on average across the state. it's expensive enough there! Imagine, how much worse it'll be for every community if he takes office. Funny enough, returning everything to the states will have the greatest burden upon the red states which take in more in federal funds than they pay in taxes. Go ahead GOP, make our day.

And, remember, he'd like to totally ditch FEMA, (v. the budget cuts currently proposed). Privatize it he says or return it to the states. Like I said, just think of your personal property taxes and local taxes. Yeah, He won't raise taxes, he'll make the states do the dirty work. Not a united states, but every state on their own.

Romney didn't run for reelection in Mass. as his approval rating was only 30% after his performance there. Now he lives in California which shows how much Mass. likes him, he had to move. He's flipped more positions since the republican primary debates than our gymnasts flipped in London. He dogs Obamacare which is only a federalized version of Romneycare in Mass. that he created. Mitt is a con man and adjusts his positions whatever way the wind is blowing. Republicans had better candidates and stuck us with him, so I'll stick with the president based on this choice.

Mr. Independent, you can do what you want at the Polls, but you mustn't try to mislead people. In other words, spin and outright lie. In Mass, his health care insurance solution in no way resembled Obamacare. It didn't raise taxes and it covered everyone, without a government takeover of the health care industry.

Obama promised to protect Medicare. Instead, Obamacare cut Medicare by $716 billion. Obamacare ended Medicare Advantage and cut benefits. Not even Congress can stop it.

The people of Mass kept sending Ted Kennedy back to the US Senate for 46 years after law enforcement found him complicit in killing a 28 year old girl and did no time for his crime. You act like we should care about the Romney approval rating in Mass, or why during the end of his term he decided to run for President. Irrelevant. What matters, the only things that ever matter, are what he did and said while in office. He turned a state deficit in the billions into a surplus, fixed Mass's complete cluster*&^k of a highway system, got everyone healthcare coverage, got their kids testing highest in the country in schools, etc.

You. Mr. Independent. Stop being ignorant. But please keep posting. You are the Obama electorate.

Jack Minster, first don't tell me who I am because you don't know me from Adam. You need to talk to people in Mass. I have and they're not crazy about Romney and they did vote for him. You should also review what he said during the primary debates which I watched and what he's saying now. He's flipped more positions than our gymnastics team. And Russia is not our number one enemy in the world, Mitt said that too. I am listening to what's being said. I'm not crazy about Obama, but Romney is a con man and I don't know which Mitt we'd get in the White House, so I'll stick with the president.

The traffic in Philadelphia at 7 AM seems to contradict Romney's observations of the 47%. Basically, there is nothing extremist about Romney at all. He is a simple minded fool that makes up nonsense (how can 47% are lazy be valid with 8% unemployment rate?). So, back at you: stop the extremist thinking.

@Anthony Wayne- you couldn't be more wrong. There is such a difference between Obama and Romney.
With Obama we have 43 months of unemployment over 8% and more Americans out of work now then when he took office. The economy and jobs will skyrocket when Romney/ Ryan win.

"the economy collapse and job loss will skyrocket if Romney/Ryan win". There, fixed it for you, Keith Best.

Not if no one in either political party wakes up and does (not just says) something different than what they have been doing for a decade or more like a century. Reason exists, but hardly any on this planet. Greed and violence drives everything here. TG, their are other planets in our universe with higher, more intelligent beings. They will rescue those of us sick of being stuck on this one with lousy and untrustworthy leaders. They are paying attention. It's sad that people chose to throw away themselves, their own people, and our precious planet. But, what can you do if this is what people chose? Just be sure to chose something better for yourself, and continue to try and save our people, and our planet. Time is running out to chose either way. Everyday is another one wasted if you are choosing unwisely.

@anthony - reason? Yes, there is a voice of reason. We now have with Mr. Romney even more torture tactics for interrogations, and both Obama and Romney approve of drone strikes that kill innocent civilians, military commissions, the NDAA 2012 indefinite detention of American citizens w/o charges or trials, assassinations of American citizens w/o charge or trial by Presidential executive order, and the anti-civil liberties Patriot Act all approved by both Obama and Romney. Frankly, why would anyone be cheering for this anti-American slashing of civil liberties? Becoming more barbarian is not something most Americans would condone. Humanity should be seeking something better of itself. Gary Johnson of the Libertarian ticket has a financial plan for America, will restore civil liberties, and bring the world some much-needed peace to our violent-driven world. It is more than enough time on our planet for sanity to be reigning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us/politics/election-will-decide-future-of-interrogation-methods-for-terrorism-suspects.html?_r=0

Former wildly successful Gov of New Mexico, Gary Johnson, will be debating the very articulate and thoughtful Dr. Jill Stein (Green party) in the final Presidential debate scheduled for Tues. evening, Oct. 30th at 9:00 Eastern time. Tune in Tuesday night next week in to hear what you are missing - a different vision on how to get out of the mess we're in.

http://freeandequal.org/?v=1

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

Obama will have an easy job at the debates mostly because Romney has clung to the same boring tactic of accusing him of destroying the economy. Obama will be well armed to quell the nonsense coming from Republicans who want to task Obama with four years of something that took eight to create.

Eric W--Let's not rewrite history OK. The first 6 years of Bush the economy was doing very well. Then what happened? Democrats took over Congress in his last two.
Yes Bush spent too much increasing the debt up to $10 trillion. Obama increased it to $16 trillon in half the time.
Obama/ Doufus must go...we need Romney/ Ryan to fix this mess that the community organizer who never even ran a lemonade stand has proven he is in over his head with.

Keith Best, we can go round and round on this. But, you do recall a democrat who achieved a surplus set up the success that you allege Bush maintained. This was so upsetting to Republicans that they desperately attempted to derail this Democratic president with claims of lies over sexual acts. Sad. Republicans just can't do anything right. They are wrong for America.

The people that believe you are a 'registered Dem' and not just making up stuff to troll the site number zero.

You are a hateful racist. Anyone who takes the time to read your comments on other articles will see that. You are the type of person who makes a Romney supporter question there choice. You are not helping the Republican party. You are a detriment. In fact, I will vote for Obama just to cancel out your vote. You hateful woman. Nice job!

Eve,

What indicates hateful racism? Am I missing something here? People like you are destroying this country with your disgusting accusations of racism every time someone disagrees with our president.

Here is what Democrats support:

Google "Obama phone video".

Keep telling yourself that, Eve. Those who are morally and intellectually bankrupt fall on insults when they don't have the facts.

Mary, why is Obama's job to make sure you are employed? Doesn't that contradict your 'if you want something, you work for it' philosophy? You were laid off because your employer decided you were not worth the payroll. How is that a reflection of Obama's Presidency? I, too, was laid off. Under Bush. Was Bush to blame? You need to take responsibility for your career and stop playing the silly game of blaming a political party for your lack of career prospects. In fact, being laid off twice should clue you in on the fact that you do not choose employers very wisely or your career choice is not exactly a good choice. Be an adult and take responsibility like you enjoy preaching to others about.

Eve, I suspected the same thing. This is obviously not a democrat and someone who dresses themselves as one to make others believe they are not really racist. To anyone doubting the charge, please read any of Mary's past posts. Do your own research.

Your so right,Romney just yesterday in Ohio lied to the people in Defiance ohio saying that the jeep is moving their plant to China which he read in a far right news paper in ohio. He never even mentioned about Chrysler hired 1100 more people for the Detroit plant. Day to day Romney comes up with more lies. The above is fact.Google Ohio news. On Monday nights debate he fabrications was fact checked and he was wrong on his comments.
How can you trust someone who does not know the truth.
The best story was on Donald Trump when he was on The David Letterman show and he was talking about his line of clothes and he was showing the ties he was selling,when Letterman noticed the Tie was made in China,Trump had the look that his hands we caught in the cookie Jar. This is what Romney does, he speaks then gets caught in his fabrication.

And he has a problem with the truth.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/statements/byruling/false

Yeah ... Because this President is so "courageous". He bows to depots; apologizes to terrorists; and fails to protect our interests abroad.

Please ...

Joanne, You are so right. He blames the President on issues that were found to be incorrect.
How could you trust him to deal in foreign policy and their leaders, he changes his mind so fast that it could be embarrassing and could cause more tensions.

Romney. ran a company, the Olympics and a state.
Obama has only run for office.
Obama didn't even finish his very first -term as a US Senator. He has as much experience running something as the replacement refs did in the NFL.

I agree Stephen Eickhoff.

Obama had a record of just voting "present" in the Illinois senate. He spent mpost of his first-term in the US Senate running for another office.
What made people think he was qualified to be president over the world's largest economy?

Romney gives hope to what,ask the people in Mass.how he left them with the worse deficit.
Ask them about his character and could not be trusted.
Ask the people in a city in ILLINOIS how he shut down a plant in their city and moved their jobs to China.

Let's be fair first. Companies that are financially strapped are exactly the kind that attract attention from equity capital firms. On the other hand, the Obama Administration was able to "create" these energy company bankruptcies - with TAXPAYER money, not private equity - all by themselves.

Hi Jack, And I am sorry to say you have not convinced me either...
Romney in Mass 47th in deficit spending in Mass. When he took office the record was much better and now A democratic Governor took over there and has reversed it.
We can go on all day ,so Our votes cancel each other out...We all have opinions and may the best man win.

jack...thanks for the truth!!!!!! as for tonya above....she gives credence to that old saying "there are more horses ass's in the world than horses include joe henken to this also

My understanding is that if a third party receives 5% of the vote, then in future Presidential elections, they cannot be excluded from the nationally televised debates which have been limited to the two old same parties, Republican and Democrat.

Gary Johnson, Libertarian, outlines his plan during the debate that was held for third parties moderated by Larry King last week and hosted by Free and Equal Elections, but which can still be viewed online at the Free and Equal Debates website. He will also be debating Dr. Jill Stein next Tues., Oct. 30th at 9:00 Eastern time. This upcoming debate can also be viewed on line next Tues. evening (and I think on C-Span).

http://freeandequal.org/updates/did-you-miss-the-debate-watch-it-here/

Also, third party candidates have to have all these absurd rules like 20,000 citizen signatures from within each state (vs. 2,000 for one of the major parties) to get on an individual state ballot, + they can't receive the (I think it's) $75,000.00 in Federal funds to run their campaigns unless they win 5% of the vote. It's really difficult, if not impossible, for a candidate to get on a lot of state ballots. Ralph Nader talks about it on this video, Grand Illusion. Gary Johnson is on the most state ballots, 48 states (Michigan for some reason blocked him (probably b/c of all the disgruntled ex-auto workers), and Oklahoma has some ancient block on third parties. During the first third party debate moderated by Larry King which still can be viewed online, third party candidates talked about all the difficulties getting on state ballots.

http://freeandequal.org/updates/grand-illusion/

http://freeandequal.org/updates/did-you-miss-the-debate-watch-it-here/

@co2 - this is a good video on Gary TV (Hear Gary Speak on the Issues- scroll down) talking to college students. His economic plan is to abolish income and corporate tax for a fair tax which will end corporate tax havens elsewhere and keep jobs and money here, balance the budget w 43% federal cuts, and I'm probably forgetting the rest, but he talks about it in the first debate.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

@sharpie - Thank you for the info. I'm planning on checking this out and tuning into the debate.

Jack, I don't know who's the bigger racist - you of Failure? Same crap you posted on the other thread. But now America's minorities are both lazy and not smart. In the other thread they were just lazy...

Obama "ran or economy into the ground." Jack, hate to bring a touch of reality to your right wing nut filled world, the US economy was already five and a half feet under on January 20, 2009.

Well, at least you spelled Lynn Swann's name correctly in this thread. Least you could do since you're so proud of voting for the black guy.

Please....racist.....you are the racist. That is what people who fail do....name call, accuse, vandalize, riot......you cannot refute or back up anything you say. Obama is the one who sits in a church pew with a racist reverend for 20 years....not me...you don't even know what race I am.

I do know Obama is a failure....his policies prove it.

So who ever wins the most counties wins the presidency? Yea, that makes a lot of sense. Got a problem with people who live in urban areas and inner cities Failure?

Opps, I did it again......

Candidate Obama: "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back - $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic." (July 3, 2008)

FORWARD to 2012

"The problem is, is that the way OBAMA has done it over the last 4 years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $9 trillion for the first 43 presidents – #44 added $7 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $16 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back - $50,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

Obama on himself – day in day out 2012

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/24/flashback_obama_adding_4_trillion_to_debt_is_unpatriotic

Roman, as the saying goes, "Those who know him the best, trust him the least."

Failure, to correct you once again... The federal debt was 10.7 trillion on 12/31/2008. Bush's last budget (FY 2009, 10/08 through 09/09) added another 1.6 trillion to the debt. In reality, the debt was almost 12 trillion before Obama could do anything about it. Again, the precedent set by Bush's FY09 budget made correcting the budget process rather daunting for the next several administrations - not just Obama.

And BTW, China holds about 1.2 trillion of our debt - about 8%. And about the same amount as Japan. Funny how Romney nor anyone on the right never mentions anything about our debt held by Japan.

Abraham I am glad you admit Obama raised the debt and if we use your timetable the debt next year - another Obama budget it will exceed $17.3 Trillion

Obama made the comments about the debt. Not me. Not you. He LIED. It is FACT

I am also keenly aware that the FED printing presses have been used to create money to buy the debt

Not only did OBAMA lie about the debt. He then lied again in 2009 about cutting the deficit. Surely as a Senator, he knew what he was voting on and was not able to cut....isn't that your arguement.......what excuse can you give for this statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

From the date of this speech, he spent $4 Trillion more!!

The FACTS are this. AMERICA OWES $16.2 TRILLION TODAY.

OBAMA LIED> OBAMA FAILED

Again Failure, the votes of people who live in cities should count less???

"Welfare spending in 10% of GDP" Not quite, even if you define "welfare spending" in the most wide spread terms, federal, state and local spending in 2012 totaled about 750 billion. GDP was just short of 16 trillion. That's less than 5%. Stop making stuff up.

Abraham, Obama's new published and orally delivered plan, "economic patriotism." The successful middle-class Americans (small biz owners and all other families earning over $200K) need to be patriotic, and pony up more.

Again, Abraham, is a true “economic patriot” someone who pays no federal income taxes, takes in more from society than he contributes, but supports higher taxes on the people who actually pay them?

You and any other Obama supporters, please answer, yes or no, and why.

We Pubbies want to know how Obama voters really think. Deflect and defer tactics do not a legitimate reply make... Yes, no, why?

Dare I say it......OK, why not.......FAILURE!!!

Well Roman, I doubt anyone could answer that. Why did that state send Senator Ted Kennedy back to office for 47 years despite the Chappaquiddick incident, where he left a party with 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, let her drown, left the scene, went to bed, and was given a sentence of two months in jail, suspended? If you can get inside the heads of Massachusetts voters. Good luck with that. I prefer to evaluate Romney based not upon the schizophrenic voter behavior in that state, but rather his record of turning its debt into a surplus, turning its schools into the highest ranked in the nation, providing healthcare insurance for its schizophrenic citizens without raising taxes, in other words leaving it better than when he came, solving their problems. Now, quid pro quo: Roman, help me to understand how Obama has improved the United States of America since he took office? Please, I'm struggling to find the hope and change.

I am seriously considering "throwing away my vote" to Gary Johnson. I hope Sandy Frankenstorm doesn't mess with my research.

@co2 - Sandy Frankenstorm isn't a true worry. Only those things which we give over to fear or trust have power. All life is about choice. "Fear is useless: what is needed is trust". Believe and trust. That is all that is needed to change our world. Believe and trust can transform the universe. Watch and witness what trust and belief can do. Live free. Vote Libertarian. Look up.

www.garyjohnson2012.com

Stop listening to storm news. Listen to WRTI - 90.1 FM. What a great station aired from Temple U. Playing ridiculously fabulous stuff for days, even weeks now - both classical and jazz. Willy Nelson was on Piano Jazz Sun. morning this week playing w the legendary Marian McParland on piano, the superb guitarist, Jackie King, premium bassist, Gary Mazzaroppi. Four wonderful jazz legends. Love hearing their tales about how they create music. What a great show! Listen Now. The session includes a set of Nelson's own tunes — "Crazy," "Rainy Day Blues," "The Great Divide" — and some of his favorite standards, including "Stardust," "All of Me" and "There'll Never Be Another You." We are sooo lucky to live in an area w one of the best radio stations anywhere.

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/26/131571288/willie-nelson-on-piano-jazz

Oh boy. I'm a poor college student. Boohoo. Let me go cry about it. Actually, I think I'll leave the crying to you when Obama wins.

You just proved you can do basic math! Congrats! In the end, all that matters is that one extra vote. And you know what, Obama's going to be the one who gets it.

Barack the vote.

*you're. Elle, once again, your grammar is atrocious.

Elle, take your blinders off. Stop being so Republican.

At least she's posting under her real, full name. And you?

I am a small business owner who is aware that not everyone shares my political view!

@Susan L. You may realize that not everyone shares your political views, but I see you don't tolerate it very well. Martha has as much right as you do to express her opinions, but you find contempt for her and others with the same view. And because she's not a right winger like you, she's ignorant too. I feel sorry for all you sheeple that swallow Mitt's BS. You lick his boots and if he gets elected (doubtful), he'll kick you in the teeth with those same boots. If you are a small business owner, I'll bet it's one that your husband funded. You don't sound smart enough to do it on your own. Go ahead and come back at me now. It's your turn.

Susan: You never did answer my question. Perhaps you're afraid someone will Google your name? Martha, incidentally, is my mom. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate someone calling your mother "ignorant" and saying they have contempt for her. If standing up for someone I care about makes me a "so-called journalist" in your opinion, then so be it.

@Susan L ,
you are a so called "American", what a joke ...... Josh has every right to post his opinion about the upcoming election , that doesn't mean he is bias by any means.
And googling someones name ???? wow i looked up the word STALKER in the dictionary and there was your name SUSAN L... AKA liberal lefty ! It sounds to me as if your pulling the Barack card out by saying that if someone is a journalist for a newspaper ex: The Patch , they are not allowed to form A opinion or give one if it has to do with THE ANOINTED ONE . So is there a rule Obama passed that under the Lefty Liberal mindset one can't post a opinion if they are connected to that particular newspaper????? Sounds like you are trying to jam what the networks do down Josh's throat !
Bias....... Susan L. you are so out of your league. Sounds to me as if you are trying to hold Josh down like Obama is trying to hold down our country with his dictatorship spin on the Presidency .... are you one of Obama's soldiers???? or are you a american citizen ???? Shame on you Susan, you are a disgrace and you are a Bigot ....You need to apologize to Josh for the things you said to him. You still have time to redeem yourself so do the right thing and give Josh the apology , maybe since you googled him you could stop by his house and do it in person ! I want you to know that as a Christain I forgive you for your ignorance

"His Muslim tendencies." Really? Whether he is or is not Muslim really doesn't matter. Let people practice what they want and stop using their religious beliefs against them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being Muslim.

Jack: "Under Romney's plan, proven successful in the past, the strike ends."

Can you please cite this "proven success?"

CyD252, I believe the explanation is clear based on historical numbers retrievable from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. Reagan and Bush used middle-class (small business owners) tax cuts and regulations that stimulated small business expansion, fostered trust among small business owners, and resulted in the creation of millions of new jobs. Every time. Compare to Obama-Biden's tax & spend plan over the past 4 years which they intend to move FORWARD another 4. Raising the middle class tax rate did not for Clinton.

Clinton said Thursday that he is "very sorry" for breaking with the Obama administration and suggesting that the Bush-era tax cuts for high earners should be extended into next year, telling CNN he did not fully understand the situation at hand.

Earlier this week, Mr. Clinton described extending all the Bush-era tax cuts as "probably the best thing to do right now" in an interview with CNBC. President Obama wants to extend the cuts for families making less than $250,000 per year but let them expire on income above that level.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57449253-503544/bill-clinton-regrets-off-message-comments/

Small business owners are working 7 days a week to one day become truly wealthy. Help wanted. Jobs created.

This is brain-dead easy stuff, it's not even political. It's common sense and experience.

Jack, how many times are you going to re-post this misleading list. Mark Twain once said, "There are three types of lies... Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics."

Deflect and dodge the damning evidence. Living in denial. Must be nice.

You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. - Winston Churchill

Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

With or without Obamacare, I'm going to be an excellent doctor and I am a native English speaker. I highly doubt that everyone is going to go into concierge medicine. I'm not. In fact, not every doctor is as greedy as you think. I can't wait to help the poor. I know firsthand from top doctors in the United States that Obamacare is the right thing to do. Perhaps you should ask doctors what they think before you start going on a rant. Maybe I'll see you in a few years when you bring your children/grandchildren to me in a crisis. Or maybe you'll take them elsewhere and make a mistake just like you told me I'm doing by voting for Obama.

Oh and by the way, your argument reeks of the slippery slope fallacy.

And Jack, I see you still haven't figured out how much or a racists you are... "Ones that don't speak English?" "Gangstas" What a pig you are...

@Minster. Who said my guy was Obama and who said I was a Liberal. I have better things to do than to Google any BS and try to convince people I'm right. I really don't care that much. Get off the free ride crap. Do you think the Obama administration invented that concept. It's been around a long time. You Romney guys sound like a broken record. Try to think for yourself for once. Have a nice day and good luck with your Ark.

Ha ha, Jack, not only are you a political expert but I see you're also physic. You didn't hit a sore spot, although it would make you feel real good if you did. I've always tried to live my life by staying somewhere in the middle. Not too far right or left. I don't endorse freeloading, and don't make it my focus either. I've worked all my life and been a businessman for most of my adult life. My wife qualifies for SS disability. She wears a portable oxygen machine to go to work. We don't want to go that route if we don't have to. I have built my own financial ark and it had nothing to do with who was in office. I don't like Romney/Ryan and I certainly didn't like George W and what his administration did to this country. We could go back and forth all day about this, but like I said, I have better things to do.

Where in healthcare does your husband work Jenn. You don't have to be specific, just which profession?

Your level of delusional nonsense seems to continue escalating - the change in tone from reasonable policy arguments to thick-headed generalizations and ceaseless spamming of talking points is a disservice to our national political conversation.

Apparently I haven't - how many times are you going to reiterate the same nonsensical lines? "when you post, you represent your team"? I'm not on a team, and I'm not representing anybody but myself - are you? I hope not, for their sake. "facts and the record, not to be disputed" - you do seem to love that turn of phrase, but you seem to have a hard time not misrepresenting those facts. Maybe you could cut and paste in that same list of ridiculous I-guess-supposed-be-condemning easily-disputed 'fact' bullet points again? I think we all missed it the first dozen times.

Here you go, Morgan. Educate yourself on Obamacare.

http://masterofpublichealth.org/2012/infographic-the-supreme-court-got-it-wrong-obamacares-unconstitutionality-by-the-numbers/

A medical doctor who is also a Congressman, Dr. Fleming, voted to repeal Obamacare. Rep. Fleming made the following statement on the House floor:

“Mr. Speaker, by any reasonable measure America has the best health care system in the world. Certainly, the many world leaders who come here for treatment are a testament to that fact. However, over recent decades the slow but steady government takeover of health care by growing entitlements has crowded out the private market place, creating an inefficient system whose costs are now completely out of control.

“As a family physician, who was elected to Congress in 2008, I came here to bring consumer choices, transparency and efficiency back into our health care system, putting health care decisions back into the exam room where they belong. Instead, Democrats passed Obamacare without even one Republican vote. It essentially doubles down on the cost, inefficiencies, and lack of accessibility to good health care that already existed, and puts Washington fully in control of your health care decisions, that will ultimately lead to yet another large, unaffordable entitlement system.”

That's great Jack, why don't you have this little girl state which deductions mitt is going to eliminate. Another thing, maybe this girl could explain why people have money parked in the Cayman, Swis., etc. Jack maybe you should ask this little girl if it is okay to strap your dog to the roof of a car for 1100 miles. I really would like to hear her answer. Out of the mouths of babes, right Jack?

I suppose it would require a child-like understanding of economics to view the world in such a simple fashion.

One of the things that makes the USA great is our collective ideal to take care of those around us who need help. We do this through government programs like Medicaid, SS disability, programs for the poor and veterans programs. (Social Security, Medicare and Unemployment Assistance are all programs we pay into over time.) We also help our fellow Americans through charitable giving, volunteerism and direct help offered to our neighbors.

Are there abusers of the system and people who take advantage of the goodwill of others? Of course there are, but there are also corporations who take advantage of unneeded government subsidies (Big Oil, Big Ag) and people of means who abuse the tax code and government programs to their own financial gain. On a cost basis, the later are far more expensive to the federal government than the former.

And one other thing Jack, "..at least 50% of Obama's base expect handouts for nothing." Really? I mean really? In this dead even race than means at least 25% of the country is looking for a free handout.

Where did you get that one? Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck? People in this thread are right, you really are brainwashed. I'll take great pride in canceling out you vote next Tuesday

Under Obamacare, 50% of doctors are already saying they will refuse to accept it. A senior citizen gets told by her doctor that her condition requires a specialist - and the specialist will refuse her. This is taking care of our most vulnerable?

Obama robbed Medicare of $716 billion to pay for ObamaCare. Did nothing to reform Medicare for the long haul and prevent it from going bankrupt. Obama's decision to use discredited studies and outright falsehoods to attack Mitt Romney is an admission of guilt.

Romney is right. 47% will vote for Obama no matter what. Between 2008 and 2011, federal welfare payments have jumped 32 percent. Food stamps have surged, with 71% more spending on the program in 2011 compared with 2008. Health payments, principally Medicaid, have climbed 37 percent.

By the way, it's not just the deep recession and weak recovery that's driving up these programs. It's a substantial eligibility expansion. In fiscal year 2012, ending Sept. 30, Obama spent $11 for every $7 of revenues taken in. The exact figures are $2.5 trillion in tax revenues and $3.5 trillion in spending. Obama spent 44% more than what came in. He spent 56 percent more than revenues in fiscal year 2011 and 60 percent more in fiscal year 2010. Received $6.8 trillion in taxes and spent $10.7 trillion -- 56% more than $ available.

What's going on here is fiscal profligacy on the grandest scale in American history. And there are consequences.

Facts, Abraham?

Well done Abraham.

"Obama robbed Medicare of $716 billion to pay for ObamaCare. Did nothing to reform Medicare for the long haul and prevent it from going bankrupt."

Except, as we've already discussed, Medicare has had the Medicare Advantage program eliminated, a failed program that was supposed to be cheaper, but has ended up being 14% more expensive than standard Medicare - so cutting that is an effort to reduce the cost for 'the long haul' - the remaining portion of that $716 billion shifted to the ACA is for services that are redundant between the two under the new system. You can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend you didn't know that and keep repeating the same misleading angle over and over, but that won't make it any more accurate.

I'm pretty sure you could make a study out of doctors who are, essentially, pharmaceutical industry shills give you any results you need for your spin about the ACA, but the American Medical Association, Doctors for America, the American Heart Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Physicians, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and countless others support it.

Nice Politifact.com paste Morgan. FALSE.

PolitiFact Says Cutting Medicare Is Not A “Cut.”

Cutting $700 billion from Medicare is not a cut, PolitiFact explains, because the absolute spending level will continue to increase. So for instance, if PolitiFact has promised to pay an employee $60,000 next year but then tells her that they will instead pay her $50,000, this would not be a pay cut. Lie. Spin.

PolitiFact Says Even If They Are Cuts, They Are Not Really Cuts.

If Medicare cuts its payments to providers, they will provide less care to seniors. Obama said allowing such cuts would be “punishing … the millions of Americans who count on Medicare.” A recent survey by the Physicians’ Foundation indicates that Obamacare will compel more than half of doctors to close or significantly restrict their practices for Medicare patients.

PolitiFact Says Even If They Are Benefit Cuts, No One Was “Robbed.”

Obama made a straightforward promise to seniors. “Here's a guarantee that I've made,” he said. “If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. If you've got a doctor that you like, you will be able to keep your doctor.” He broke this promise. $ so seniors could keep their insurance and their doctor will instead be spent on Obamacare, result being that seniors may not be able to keep either. Robbed.

No, doctors do not endorse it, Morgan. Politi-lies.

GW Bush - his dad got him in the Texas Air National Guard even though other qualified above him so he didn't have to go to Vietnam
Cheney - 5 deferments, John Ashcroft - 7 deferments, McConnell - deferment, Rove - multiple deferments and the list goes on and on

I have great respect for Colin Powell and John McCain for their great service.

Would you like to see the list of prominent Dems who served?

Actually elle, don't care if you want to see the list:
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. (1)
Representative Tim Walz, D-MN - Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.
Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA - 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.
Representative Chris Carney, D-PA - Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.
Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA - extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.
Representative Phil Hare, D-IL - Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.

Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)

Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) - U.S. Army Reserve, 1968-1975.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)

Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

Show of hands, Abraham and David - did either of you serve in the military during wartime? Did Obama?

If not, then your bizzaro pastes really make no impact.

Voters care about their incomes over the past four years dropping by an effective $4,300 annually, gas costing them on average an extra $2K per year, health insurance premiums costing several thousand dollars more, and wondering why the Bush years now feel like the "good old days." They're tired of being squeezed by their government.

Romney and Ryan have proposed a solid path to good new days. And you have offered not one shred of historical fact-based evidence to refute their plan. Your posts attack Romney but not his fiscal performance record. Your posts attack other post-ers. I wonder what objective readers think of your emotional, fact-less contributions. You know what I think of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGn1Ap14Nd8

No president has been re-elected with employment this high or GSP this low. Now that's a fact.

Let me tell you something Jack, I do not envy Romney at all, and in fact pity him. 1. His wife has an awfull disease. 2. He is so blinded by his personal ambition he has no moral rudder. No thanks, I will pass on that.

Hi Elle, have to give you some credit. Never been called a rubber-neck before and I am not sure wth it means (it didn't sound food) but oh well. He got out of the war period Elle. And if he was such a good Mormon than why would he lie so much?

Here's the problem Elle, Mitt beat going to VN by doing missionary work in France. If you recall you were the one who brought this sub thread up. The very fact that he is incapable of holding a position , and lacks integrity is enough for me not to vote for him. I am not going to call him a coward, but he skated in VN.

David, you brought it up. David Curran

5:01 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012

@elle, why go to Canada when you can go too France. I hear the food is much better there, with still no chance of defending your country or getting shot.

And you never answered my question: what was your wartime military experience, and Obama's wartime military experience?

If my four-times repeated question isn't worth your answer, then your question to Elle was ... limp.

Jack, I would refer you to Elle's comments at 4:55. Kind of self explanatory. Give it a rest dude, you are starting to believe some of the HS your are throwing out there.

elle, can't handle the truth so attack the messenger. Typical right wing nuttery. The truth is there are far more Dem military heros than Reb military heros serving (or having served in recent years) in the political ranks. And I'll give you Ted Kennedy, but raise you a John F and a Joe Kennedy. On a local level, I'll raise you a Pat Murphy, Joe Sestak and Mannan Trivedi.

Bush and Cheney (with help from another deferment guy Karl Rove) both actively avoided service and then sent 4,000+ servicemen and women to their deaths in an unnecessary war. Pitiful and sad.

BTW, I'm sure Mitt did a few good deeds in France during his mission, but he spent most of that time proselytizing. In fact, the major accomplishment he lists from his mission is meeting a goal of 200 baptisms in one year. He was knocking on doors and trying to recruit people into his church... and avoiding Vietnam.

"Squirrel brain" Really, that's all you've got?? Stick and stones will break my bones, but names....

Served but couldn't time it with a war. Sorry dude. Did Romney?

@elle, all my Irsh ancestors were Dems bless their souls. Here is the thing, your ancestors who were Rs would not recognize the current R party. Eisenhower, Nixon, t Roosevelt, these guys would not stand a chance in the current R party. Stop complaining about the Dems and nominate a real canidate . Mitt stinks , you know it and I I know it. The guy just exudes incredibilty. Most people pick this up. Trust your instincts on this election.

As usual, recycling the same ridiculous talking points. 100% of American adults pay taxes - the 47% who don't owe on their annual federal income taxes pay state and local taxes, sales taxes, they give a portion of every paycheck to the government to collect interest on and increase liquidity, and they largely pay into Social Security and Medicare. That number also includes people who have retired after having paid into the system their whole working lives. It is a blatantly false figure, that has been debunked thousands of times over by everyone from Forbes to FOX for months. You know that as well as I, and every intelligent person on either side of the aisle, do. How can you continue posting this intentionally misrepresentative information, over and over again, and still pretend to wave some sort of banner of 'facts'?

The top earners pay so much because they make a disproportional amount more than the average worker. It is simple math. 25% of a big number (rich salary) is a big number. 25% of a small number (middle class salary) is a small number. The fact that the top 10% pay 71 % should show you that the rich are getting richer and the middle class and poor are getting poorer. That is what capitalism is all about - competition, a few mega-rich winners, and a whole lot of losers.

Don't worry, if Mitt gets in, he will cut the mortgage interest deduction and a whole lot of the middle class 47% will be paying a whole lot more in taxes. Jack, how much will your taxes increase if you don't have the mortgage interest deduction?

It's a pretty reasonable response when the messenger is the source of the distortion of the message, no? I'm perfectly happy to redirect the points, deflect if you will, back to the actual information. Payroll withholdings go to the federal and state, and all taxes feed back into the system in different ways, obviously - you're just being obtuse. So that's something like 23% of your 47%, and of course there's the retired 11%, so that leaves you with what, an actual 13% who are only paying sales tax?

Is it fair for the top 10% to pay 71% of the taxes? No, the top 1% pays 37% of the taxes but control 42% of the total wealth. The top 5% pays 59% of the taxes, but controls 69% of the total wealth. Your fairness discrepancies lie there.

If what you say is true about preserving the mortgage deduction, why didn't Romney answer the citizen who directly asked him the question during the debates? Why not answer with the truth? I know if he cuts the mortgage deducation for me, I will be paying thousands more in taxes. I don't mind mentioning that - I just live in a little, older house in Collegeville. If it is thousands for me, I can't imagine what it will be for people in the big houses (who tend to vote Republican). My problem with possibly losing the mortgage interest deduction is the fact that we always use the money we get back from our return for home improvements. I think a lot of people spend their returns on extra projects. If many of the middle class no longer get any money back, then all of that money won't be supporting businesses.

I guess it doesn't matter too much since Obama has a 74% of winning anyway.

Camy. Has no one ever taught you not to ask questions to which you don't already know the answers? In Debate #2, Romney proposed a $25,000 cap on itemized deductions. This will have little effect on people in the $50,000 to $200,000 income range, since their average total write-off (for mortgage interest, charitable contributions and all the rest) is $24,000. It would take a much bigger bite out of upper-income households beyond $200,000, of course, where the average total for all itemized deductions came to $81,000 in the IRS data from 2009.

Now Obama supports a cutback in housing-related and other write-offs for people with incomes above $250,000, capping the marginal rate at which they can take their deductions at 28 percent.

Obama really doesn't have a 74% chance of winning, Camy.

He does. I don't pretend to know more than the experts. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
Numbers are numbers and Nate Silver's track record proves his ability to predict elections.

Camy, if Nate Silver told you to invest all your money in Apple stock because he always picks winners, would you? The reason most other polls are wrong is that, seeing this Republican surge, they discount it as sampling error in their polls and re-weight the data to make it conform to the traditional partisan divisions, thus obliterating the real trend and obscuring what is actually going on.

The fact is that the country has moved sharply in the direction of the Republican Party since 2008 and even since 2010.

Want to know how much Romney will win by?

Obama won by 7 points in 2008. But the electorate has become 15 points more Republican since then. Do the math -- an 8 point Romney victory. I'll bet Nate and you a soda that Romney wins by 5 points. If it's by 6 or 7 points, we can all insert our straws into the same soda and equitably redistribute both the high fructose corn syrup and the cost.

@Abraham, look around you .. wake up and smell the welfare ! There are more people who don't get up and pay taxes then do and its getting worse and worse since your God Obama has now allowed all these Illegal immigrants to stay and become citizens, they are like roaches, they keep coming in , they come over the border and deliver their offsprings in our hospitals because they will not turn them away and then they head back over to mexico , this is a big problem so please stop with the statistics! Look around you and stop with your % they are so off the target that its laughable !

Except that's not what I actually said, you'll note. The majority of the tax burden falls to those who control the majority of the money, ideally in proportion. If you don't want the bulk of that burden, I suggest having less of that wealth. People with no money don't have it available to contribute to the government, right? That's why we have other ways for them to contribute: sales taxes, payroll withholdings, etc. who should bear the tax burden if not the people with the actual money?

You were asking me about military experience? Why ? How is that relevant to anything in the discussion?

Hey Jack (Dipsh!#), no envy here. Started, built, sold a business and retired by 45. Paid plenty of capital gains. Retired once, but now working again after Bush/Cheney policies devastated my portfolio.

The double dipping capital gains thing is another hogwash Repub talking point. It's called capital gains for a reason. You earn money through employment and pay taxes. You then take a portion of that income income, invest it, it earns more and you pay 15% capital gains on those earnings.

You've not answered any of my questions Abraham, and now you're losing all civility. Go, sit in the corner, and come back only after you've calmed down and found several combinations of letters and numbers to justify Obama's re-election.

Everyone should vote for Obama-Biden because_____________

Be sure to touch on his plan for getting GDP back up to 3%, stopping Iran's nuclear program, controlling Al Qaeda, restoring peace and democracy to the currently violent Arab Spring, and how he will improve the lives of Montgomery County Pennsylvania's hard-working moms and dads.

Jack, I don't want to make the wealthy poorer, I want to reduce their tax burden by increasing the share of taxes the rest of Americans can pay. The sharp rise in the income inequality rate in the US coincides with the dramatic increase in virtually every negative economic trend in this country. The wealthiest in this country have had 30 years to make their lowered tax rates of the 80s generate job growth, and it's only gotten worse, on virtually every front, over the span of the decades since. The massive rise in debt burden in this country stems directly from Reagan's borrowing to offset his dramatic reduction in taxes for the wealthiest.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/steve_clemons/Total%20Increase%20in%20debt%20to%20GDP%20overall.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_b9YJo4RAhSY/TEXGFbqhAeI/AAAAAAAAAdk/t1wg-TSId4k/s1600/Richest1PercentTaxRate.JPG

Lowering the taxes for the wealthiest has no modern history of improving this economy outside of short term gains.

And, to be clear, I'm only speaking for myself. I'm sure many other liberals would agree with some of what I've said, but I"m in way speaking for anybody else.

Morgan, perhaps you should be clearer about defining "wealthy." I know plenty of dual-income households who Obama considers wealthy but they themselves work their asses off and still don't live a luxury lifestyle.

Again, reducing the marginal tax rate from the current 35% (2nd highest in the world, only to Japan, a Socialist country) to 25% (vs Obama raising to 40% + 3% Obamacare surtax) to stimulate job growth. This has worked EVERY TIME in the past. It creates jobs, increases take-home pay, and enormous new tax revenue. Millions of new jobs generating Billions in new taxes.

The superwealthy making many millions, will now only get to write off $25K, same as the thousandaires. Romney’s historically proven reduction of the marginal tax rate does quickly stimulate the creation of millions of new jobs and increasing the tax base.

Discouraging small biz owners and entrepreneurs on their way up to wealthy is also discouraging them from taking risks, expanding and creating new jobs. Me, if I were one of those on-my-way-up guys getting socked with 43% taxes - screw expanding and hiring.

I disagree with some of Bush's economic policies and so do Romney and Ryan. And I disagree with Iraq. I think much of Obama's success is due to an anti-Bush sentiment. But not all Republicans manage like Bush. Romney is a proven mess-fixer and budget-balancer. Bush made some good moves but not enough.

Democrats cannot redistribute. It simply does not work, never has, never will.

I mean 'wealthy' solely in the relative sense, not specific income levels, but percentages. Essentially, if the top 5% control 70% of the total wealth, the top 5% pay 70% of the taxes. Income tax rates should be set annually to reflect the changes, so when they only control 60%, they only are burdened with 60%. The marginal tax rate is 35% now, sure, but it was 70-90% for the 50 years before Reagan, and was a huge part of getting us out of the Great Depression. As it turns out, in the 20th century at least, redistributing from the top has been pretty good for the economy.

Well Morgan, as I have presented here actual facts and figures showing job growth spurred by middle-class marginal Federal income tax cuts, and Clinton acknowledging his failure to do so and losing to Bush who promised to and did so, creating 8.6 million new jobs almost immediately, you would agree the facts resonate with Romney supporters and fall on Obama supporters' deaf ears.

Gallup Explains Why Other Polls Are Wrong
By Dick Morris on October 29, 2012

In a large sample, Gallup reported on Friday that the likely 2012 electorate will be among the most Republican in history.

In 2008, 12 percent more self-described Democrats voted than Republicans (54-42). In 2004, the electorate was 48-48 evenly split between the parties. In Gallup’s poll, they found that in 2012 it will be 46-49 for the Republicans — a fifteen point swing from 2008.

The reason most other polls are wrong is that, seeing this Republican surge, they discount it as sampling error in their polls and re-weight the data to make it conform to the traditional partisan divisions, thus obliterating the real trend and obscuring what is actually going on. The fact is that the country has moved sharply in the direction of the Republican Party since 2008 and even since 2010. Want to know how much Romney will win by?

Obama won by 7 points in 2008. But the electorate has become 15 points more Republican since then. Do the math — an 8 point Romney victory. OK, maybe 5 or 6 or 7, but no cliffhanger.

Jack, I agree - facts are what are being ignored in this, and probably most, political contests. I just don't think we can deny the fact that the vast bulk of our debt has come from former GOP leaders, or the fact that the GOP's policies have dramatically widened income inequality. Romney's specific economic plan may differ in ways, but the guiding principles are the pretty standard party line of cutting both taxes and funding for social services. Obama hasn't been perfect by a long shot, he's not even my first choice in this election (though I am certainly voting for him), but the preponderance of facts does not correlate lower taxes with domestic job growth. I wish it did, because that would be a much simpler way to fix our economy than the difficult systemic changes that we really have to make.

http://www.hugdaily.org/brian-rogel/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/top-marginal-income-tax-job-growth.jpg
(note that the dotcom boom staved off the long term effects of outsourcing for a while)

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/steve_clemons/Total%20Increase%20in%20debt%20to%20GDP%20overall.jpg

I don't know about you Abraham , but I am laughing at this clown.
They deny history, they deny science, they change positions (at least weekly). Don't think so.

I agree David. I've had enough of these brainwashed wingnuts. I'm out of here...

I think what you fail to realize Jack is that you are a bore. You suppress legitimate discourse, not encourage it. I don't blame anyone who choses to avoid exchanges with you.
If you must know, I did not serve in the armed forces. Man you are tiresome.

Yawn.

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the 3rd party debate was awesome. good post

and mitt is the answer. the biggest liberal to run. he won Massachussetts due to his liberal ways. then flipped flopped on everything. Talk about evil...destroying companies shipping jobs overseas, ruining families....this of course is all documented. all videos of mitts flips are on youtube....a simple search will help

and also mitt is the one who endorses candidates of his party that deny science....remember woman can block being pregnant from rape if she thinks really hard. or it is God's intention for a baby to be born from rape. Paul Ryan co-sponsored a bill banning all abortions...this of course is all documented again. I guess the magical rape fairy is denying science in Mitt's party?

You don't really believe that do you, Kenya?

Tony, once again you prove what a ***** you really are. What the f are you rambling about? It must be LIBERAL speak....kind of like pig latent! Also, just like Obama with his stance on Gay marriage...people evolve in their thinking. I guess that means there's still hope for you. The point about conception is that God blesses every baby no matter how they are conceived! Get with the program!

Kim, the violent tea bagger, ON EVERY SINGLE stance MITT HAS flipped flopped. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Keep living in your tea bag bubble and help destroy the country. I say it again, you guys should vote Gary Johnson if you want a conservative. Don't vote Mitt, he is more liberal than Obama. He passed socialized medicine first, was pro abortion, was anit-gun, was pro Big government. these facts cannot be denied. Paul Ryan as well. He begged for stimulus money and got it. Hell he begged for stimulus money for green jobs and thanked Obama in a letter for the jobs those stimulus monies created. Mitt wants to redistribute wealth. He says he will take from the rich to pay for the poor. These facts cannot be denied

Kathleen, define working families. Know any dual-income households who Obama considers wealthy but they themselves work their asses off and still don't live a luxury lifestyle at $200K-$250K annually?

Again, reducing the marginal tax rate from the current 35% (2nd highest in the world) to 25% (vs Obama raising to 40% + 3% Obamacare surtax) to stimulate job growth. This has worked every time in the past creating jobs, increasing take-home pay, and generating enormous new tax revenue. Millions of new jobs generating Billions in new taxes. Romney’s historically proven reduction of the marginal tax rate does quickly stimulate the creation of millions of new jobs and increasing the tax base.

Discouraging small business owners and entrepreneurs working harder than most to become wealthy is also discouraging them from taking risks, expanding and creating new jobs. You see the results of that over the last 4 years. Obama's tax hike will go straight to 1 million middle-class small business owners, costing jobs.

I disagree with some of Bush's economic policies and so do Romney and Ryan. And I disagree with Iraq. I think much of Obama's success is due to an anti-Bush sentiment. But not all Republicans manage like Bush. Romney is a proven mess-fixer and budget-balancer. Bush made some good moves but not enough.

Democrats cannot redistribute. It simply does not work, never has, never will.

Mitt Romney absolutely wants to redistribute wealth. How is that any different?

You libs are like the woman who stays with the guy that beats her twice a day for fear of the next guy beating her three times a day. Idiots!

Kathleen, correction. Our economy is not in worse shape than when Obama took office. I have posted many actual numbers (women, blacks and hispanics now in poverty that were not 4 years ago; median income down $4,300, 30 million still uninsured, etc). Kathleen do you believe it is fair that the top 10 percent of income earners pay 71 percent of the federal income tax burden while 47 percent of Americans pay absolutely no federal income tax?

We're witnessing the disastrous effects of massive spending in Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal and other European countries where a greater number of people live off of government welfare programs than pay taxes. Government debt in Greece is 160 percent of gross domestic product, 120 percent in Italy, 104 in Ireland and 106 in Portugal.

You and your sources are spinning reality into some bizarre economic unreality.

Tony, I have found it doesn't matter what the truth is to some people even if that have videos with the words coming out of Mitt's mouth. It not about Mitt, it's about how much they hate Obama. God help us if Romney wins. Which Romney are we going to get? the one from last week, last month or 6 months ago. they are all different. I honest don't understand how people can vote for someone who is part of the 47% that he so blatantly looks down on. If you are on medicare, get social security, are a vet, or make less the 150K a year, you are part of that 47%.

unfortunately, you say can't blame bush. Well, to solve this problem one has to have an open mind. Of course, Obama wanted to cut the deficit. However, nobody predicted the Bush aftermath on the economy and that a recession and depression on equal scale of the Great Depression would be created. So it is simple math, in order to cut the deficit, more revenue is needed, and so are cuts. However, tax increases weren't passed and cuts were minimal. (payroll tax cut etc). In order to pay for these 2 large wars Bush created, more revenue is needed. So saying can't blame bush ....that cannot happen. Bush is only part of the reason we have such a deficit. Reagan increased the deficit largely. So did Bush Snr. Clinton cut it, but then Bush had increased it. The numbers and facts can be seen here:
http://www.presidentialdebt.org/

I did not make any rules in my 'homework' assignment...if fact shows, blame who ever you want on those words coming out of Mitt's mouth. If he was drunk or high, or drugged, please provide us with some sort of proof he does those things.

also having the least productive Congress, in US history doesn't help move things along. Who has control of such a Congress....oh the Republicans. I recall how their number 1 goal...........THEIR NUMBER 1 GOAL....... was not to fix the economy or tax cuts, or anything.......it was to have Obama fail. Good old republican style

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-08-14/unproductive-congress-not-passing-bills/57060096/1

Hi Tim, just found this site look the Lansdale weather. See you on facebook. : )

it is hard to understand anything when these people live in a bubble and just want anti-obama chants, even if the person they vote for is more liberal than anyone else. As long as anti-Obama-for-no-justified reason continues, the Mitt supporters will support anyone other than Obama, even if Mitt flips flops on every single core issue. The bubble cannot be popped.

Kathleen, the problem with using snopes or politfact or factcheck is that they are often wrong. Since Obama assumed office three years ago, federal spending has accelerated at a pace without precedent in recent history, taking us from $3.5 trillion in federal spending in 2010 to a projected $5.6 trillion within the next decade. This sharp rise has been entirely a matter of choice. Even as federal spending remains wholly within our control, Washington is spending money in an out-of-control fashion.

One traditional yardstick for gauging whether government is living within its means is spending as a percentage of GDP. Since the 1950s, federal spending as a percentage of GDP has hovered around 20 percent. When President Obama took office, it shot up to 25 percent, a level not seen since World War II. Before the recession, the federal government spent $25,000 per household. That number has now soared past $30,000 and is on track to hit $35,000 within the next decade.

Obama's spending habits were at the root of this past summer’s crisis over the debt ceiling. His insistence on a “balanced approach”—by which he meant a combination of spending cuts and tax increases—would have put a seal of congressional approval on a baseline level of spending significantly higher than when he took office. FAIL. He wanted to move the country in the wrong direction of more taxes and more spending at a time when both are smothering the economy.

HUH? you personally blame Bush and Congressional Republicans for not fighting the Dems harder and winning? Do you remember what was going on 4-5 years ago??
Dems did this pandering to their voter base, pushing loans onto low-no income home buyers with no demonstrated ability to repay the loans, in order to shore up their core voter base. ???? The Federal reserve, wall street & the GOP had nothing to do with those loans.... come on... what planet were you living on?

That web site is hilarious, some people have just too much times on their hands.

agreed. Nobody in MA is supporting Romney, because they now know the crook, liar, and flip flopper he is. The Mitt running for office now, is not the pro-socialized medicine, anti-gun, pro-abortion, or big government money spender they are used to seeing. Mitt is literally pandering to earn any sucker's vote

well said!

Most Vacation days: Still held by Bush and Reagan

Poverty Rate: was well sharply advancing upward under Bush

Obamacare: was 100% a republican idea Dole and the republicans ran with in the 1990's; liberal Mitt managed to pass in his own state and said it would be great nationally

Food Stamps increase were passed under Bush

Gas prices should be lower, can't argue there. But to point we are drilling here more than ever and still prices soar.

Romney absolutely may have turned things around here and there, but he also absolutely begged the tax dollars to do so. The Olympics....Mr Business man had to beg, literally beg, the federal government for almost $1 billion to help run them sufficiently. One would think a business man of his caliber should not need Mr Big Government to help him? McCain even said it was a horrible idea ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsA0AOwGD0 )

The homes crisis can go back to Clinton signing the bill in the 1990's that was viciously fought tooth and nail and pushed through by Republicans. Bush said it was "....every American's right to own a home..." while pushing his propaganda to hand out these bad mortgages. Funny, where does that say its a right in the U.S Constitution or Bill of Rights?

Fact is Bush passed the biggest anti-Constitution and anti-freedom act in the US History....The Patriot Act.

Kim wrote, "Of course Tony couldn't respond to me without name calling!" Then later in the same post she wrote, "Obama is a punk!" Wow, GOP hypocrisy at its best...

I supported my points there Abraham! I KNOW Obama is a punk. It is my opinion. Tony has no clue that I am not a member of the Tea Party, but just throws it out there as an insult. If he really wanted to insult me, he could have called me a violent occupier! Lol. Still waiting for Tony to respond.

Also note that virtually every major medical association has endorsed the ACA:
American Medical Association, Doctors for America, the American Heart Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Physicians, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, etc.

And those incredibly misleading numbers have been debunked on here, and basically everywhere, about a billion times, once by myself in this same thread. .

Except, Morgan, you're looking at obsolete news. Once these endorsing associations started to realize what deeper-digging medical pros and groups and insurance industry reps recognized the day the faulty legislation finally got revealed for all to read and to digest, they started backing off, pushing for massive changes. Again, 50% of docs are now NOT ACCEPTING MEDICARE. As I have revealed to you many times in this thread, Morgan.

The largest and most inclusive, powerful lobbying group of the ones you keep pasting from some fallacy fact site is the American Medical Association. So we have room for just one example, hear you go:

The American Medical Association, a key supporter of federal health care overhaul legislation when it passed Congress two years ago, may push for major revisions that include tort reform and a way to remedy how doctors are paid by the Medicare program.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2012/06/14/the-ama-a-key-backer-of-obamacare-looks-into-reboot/

From Aug:
"The Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), an independent Congressional agency charged with advising Congress on Medicare... found that just 2 percent of beneficiaries had problems of any kind finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare - the same percentage of patients aged 50-64 with private insurance who report problems. Likewise, just 2.1 percent report trouble of any kind finding specialists willing to accept Medicare, compared with 2.3 percent for patients with private insurance."

And from your Forbes link:
"The AMA originally supported the Affordable Care Act and still does in large part because it expanded access and provided coverage to 30 million Americans."

Even If 50% of doctors refused, that leaves the market wide open for people who will take those clients. Free markets, right? But where is that number coming from? The only thing I'm seeing is 25-31% of doctors not currently taking new Medicaid patients, not refusing existing patients. Can I get a link to that study?

Oh, and that's not from a factcheck site (and its only pasted from the summary I typed above that you didn't seem to respond to), it's from an ABC story interviewing representatives from each organization - 'Doctors' Groups Applaud Health Care Ruling'

And... then, Morgan, there's the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3OBIe0XPUg

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/07/health-affairs-study-one-third-of-doctors-wont-accept-new-medicaid-patients/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/20/how-obamacares-716-billion-in-cuts-will-drive-doctors-out-of-medicare/

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html?_r=0

What you have to realize Morgan is doctors are like everyone else in the service business. They are in it voluntarily. There is a basic requirement to make ends meet.

The Romney-Ryan solution protects people with pre-existing conditions, does everything people want it to do, and leverages the business aspect Obamacare misses. Competition drives down costs. The first microwave ovens cost $10K. The first Motorola flip phones cost $1,500. Prices didn't come down because some Federal bureaucrats told them to.

This is simple stuff but you're not getting it. You're attacking the messengers, not the problem, which is Obamacare which does. Not. Work.

Kathleen doesn't play the race care, but she is very accurate with her facts. Jack, stop reading the scare tactics of the NRCC. And Jack, you wrote, "Under Obamacare, 50% of doctors are already saying they will refuse to accept it." Obamacare is not a health insurance plan.

Jack, that "30 million new consumers" baloney doesn't fly, and I'm guessing you know that. The Affordable Care Act doesn't create more sick people, it just creates more insured people.

Bruce, are you familiar with Congressman Fleming? Of course not. Dr. John Fleming is Chairman of the Natural Resources Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife, Oceans and Insular Affairs and is a member of the House Armed Services Committee. He is a physician and small business owner. He is on television constantly reiterating the following statement on the House floor:

“Mr. Speaker, by any reasonable measure America has the best health care system in the world. Certainly, the many world leaders who come here for treatment are a testament to that fact. However, over recent decades the slow but steady government takeover of health care by growing entitlements has crowded out the private market place, creating an inefficient system whose costs are now completely out of control.

“As a family physician, who was elected to Congress in 2008, I came here to bring consumer choices, transparency and efficiency back into our health care system, putting health care decisions back into the exam room where they belong. Instead, Democrats passed Obamacare without even one Republican vote. It essentially doubles down on the cost, inefficiencies, and lack of accessibility to good health care that already existed, and puts Washington fully in control of your health care decisions, that will ultimately lead to yet another large, unaffordable entitlement system.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeTIJ5vYl2E&feature=plcp

Yes, Obamacare is a FAIL, Bruce.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-plan-second-term-economy-jobs-election-2012-10

The above link on BusinessInsider.com takes a look at Obama's 27 point plan (in slides) and then Romney's.

Of particular interest reading Romney's plan - all about eliminating regs and taxes for businesses across the board, and investments only for the oil & gas industry - nothing in new technology. In fact, hard to find anything about healthcare - only abolishing the ACA and vouchers with no specifics. In fact, the voucher plan does nothing to address competitiveness, service, or pricing of health insurance which is really the major issue of healthcare (whereas the exchanges will force companies to attract a large insured pool that pointedly addresses the underwriting of elder care). Nothing about school costs - in fact. if you're not a blood and skin person, you're not part of the Romney plan it appears.

But, that's my take - you guys take a look. Still waiting to get a spritz from the trickle down approach of the previous admin...

Locally involved - Clinton publicly regrets raising the upper Federal tax rate to 40%, which you know from reading both plans is what Obama-Biden intend to do. The Bush tax cuts quickly generated 8.6 million new jobs. How is your trickle-down expanding Federal government approach working for you?

Jack - Let's get this straight - Bush's tax cuts combined with relaxed regs making it easier to lend to subprime markets created a real estate and financial crises not seen since 1929. (see comments in WH archives "I am authorizing Freddie and Fannie Mae to make subprime loans with taxpayer money..." (and I paraphrased here..)

In actuality, NO net new jobs were created between 2001 and 2009. The stock market never recovered from the 2001 recession (all the gains were in phoney money with inflated housing prices and stock market bubble due to the housing crises). 23% of all manufacturing jobs were lost by 2008 (see americanmanufacturing.com), car production started dropping in 2001 and never recovered until the restructuring under Obama. Job losses began in 2007, housing prices began their decline in 2006.

Bottom line, no organic growth 2001-2009. Don't believe me on the stats? Would you believe ADP? The Consumer Conference Board? You'll plainly see, Help Wanted Online ads (unique posts) actually fell drastically in 2007.

Easy peasy, pretty pics. No liberal bias -nothing but the facts, Jack.

www.adpemploymentreport.com/
http://www.conference-board.org/data/helpwantedonline.cfm

Locally, try again. Private-sector job growth under Obama in Feb2010 and in the 29 months since then there were 4.5 million private-sector jobs created, per the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But keep in mind that Feb 2010 was 8 months into the economic recovery. Your source picked the worst month under Obama as the starting point, in order to make Obama's job growth look as impressive as possible. So, in fairness, let's do the same for Reagan and Bush.

After the 1981-82 recession, private-sector jobs bottomed out in Dec 1982, the month after that recession ended. 29 months later, the private sector under Reagan had created 8 million jobs — nearly twice as many as under Obama.
How about Bush? Surely job growth during his administration was worse. After all, O keeps telling us Bush's policies "resulted in the most sluggish job growth in decades."
Except using your method, the private sector created 4.7 million jobs in the 29 months after July 2003, when the job market bottomed. In other words, Bush beat O by his own preferred measuring technique by 200,000 jobs. Also jobs started growing under Bush 1 month after signing his second major tax cut into law. It chopped capital gains and dividend tax rates and accelerated the schedule for the Bush income-tax rate cuts.

So after 29 months of allegedly stellar job growth under Obama, the jobless rate is still 8.3%. By this point in the Reagan and Bush jobs recoveries, the unemployment rate was 7.2% and 4.9%, respectively.

Jack you can't even compare the Reagan, Bush or Clinton recessions to the mess Obama inherited. From the BLS... Job growth (loss)

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1980 131 79 112 -145 -431 -320 -263 260 113 280 256 195
1981 95 67 104 74 10 196 112 -36 -87 -100 -209 -278
1982 -327 -6 -129 -281 -45 -243 -343 -158 -181 -277 -124 -14

1988 94 452 276 245 227 363 223 121 340 268 339 289
1989 262 258 192 173 118 117 39 47 249 111 277 95
1990 338 249 214 40 150 17 -40 -208 -85 -159 -146 -59
1991 -122 -302 -161 -212 -127 88 -48 17 32 12 -58 23
1992 50 -66 52 157 126 60 70 141 35 178 139 212
1993 310 242 -51 308 265 174 295 160 239 278 261 307

2007 236 93 190 72 139 75 -40 -18 73 79 112 89
2008 41 -84 -95 -208 -190 -198 -210 -274 -432 -489 -803 -661
2009 -818 -724 -799 -692 -361 -482 -339 -231 -199 -202 -42 -171
2010 -40 -35 189 239 516 -167 -58 -51 -27 220 121 120
2011 110 220 246 251 54 84 96 85 202 112 157 223
2012 275 259 143 68 87 45 181 142 114

Abraham, you can't even compare the messes Reagan, Clinton and Bush inherited with the one Romney-Ryan will inherit. But do keep trying.

Oh that's brilliant Jack... and so far from reality. You're delusional. Interesting how you left the mess Obama inherited off your list. Obama has the country headed in the right direction after the incredible mess your boys Bush and Cheney left us - despite the total obstruction of your Rethuglican buddies in the house.

Well Jack, why don't you just start an insurance company for the elderly that is better than Medicare, it can even take vouchers . Can't you see that insuring the aged is always going to be losing proposition. That is why people fear the Romney-Ryan plan. Vouchers will never work because they cannot possibly keep up with costs, and seniors will have to make up the difference.
Kind of reminds me of how Romney wants to get rid of FEMA and let states take of disasters themselves. States don't have the resources to deal with majjor disasters and seniors will never be able to afford health care with Romney-Ryan.

David Curran- without Romney/ Ryan, sooner rather than later no will will be able to have Medicare and Medicaid since they will implode from lack of funds. Yes, they are unsustainable in their current form. Even honest Democrats admit it.

Jack, you pompous judgmental @$$. And BTW, the Ryan/Romney plan cuts the same $716B

Mr. Minster, Once again you make false statements: The government did NOT takeover health care. You have a problem with more people having the ability to purchase insurance? You have a problem with the government telling those who don't want to buy insurance and stick us with their bills that they can no longer be, what is it that Romney calls them? Oh yea, "Free Riders".

You make absolutely no sense. I and a great many other Americans are sick and tired of America being one of the worse in mortality rates. There is absolutely no reason for a great country like ours to be so far behind in caring for the health and wellbeing of our fellow Americans.

No Earnest. Obama and Congressional Dems lead by Pelosi took over health care insurance. They aren't smart enough to become doctors and take over health care.

Earnest, re-read your comment. I doubt even you believe you.

So, Jack, are you saying that "I don't think you need to worry about schools with a Romney win" because we shouldn't believe anything Romney says? OR is it simply, it's irrelevant of what anything the Romney camp states because they'll change it again in a minute? OR is it just that it doesn't matter what they say they'll do, as long as someone is in the office that is not President Obama?

And, you really think public schools suck that much in the area that you're willing to privatize it all leaving no choice for parents?

Why do you hate the President so much? Really, really, try to cramp that frontal lobe and let us all know. Therapy can help. You're covered for pre-existing conditions under the ACA act.

' Also, Romney's approach is sound, please, let us know what you hate about it so vociferously"
what i dislike is which Mitt are you talking about?
Can't trust the guy. He says one thing today, something else tomorrow, something different last month, the guy will say what ever needs to be said to whomever he's talking to to get their vote. How can that be a sound approach?

The facts about Romney’s John and Abigail Adams Scholarship

Mitt Romney has not said much about his plans for public higher education on the campaign trail, but he has frequently boasted that the top-scoring 25 percent of Massachusetts high school graduates are eligible for a John and Abigail Adams Scholarship, his signature accomplishment in public higher education while he was governor. As Romney describes it, Adams Scholarship recipients can go to any Massachusetts college or university tuition-free. Sounds like a great deal, right? Not so fast.

In Massachusetts, tuition is very low and mandatory fees are very high. The scholarship only affects tuition. At UMass Amherst, for example, the tuition and fees for the current school year are $13,715. Of that total, only $1,714 is tuition and the rest is made up of mandatory fees, so the Adams Scholarship student must still pay $12,001.
http://www.massteacher.org/news/archive/2012/adams_scholarships.aspx

Jack, Facts and Logic you say... Sorry to burst your right wing propaganda bubble, but Charlotte is correct about the Adams scholarship. As usual, Mitt bends the truth... no wait a minute, Mitt just lies. Plain and simple.

From the UMass Amherst and Adams Scholarship websites:

http://www.doe.mass.edu/mcas/adams.html

"The John and Abigail Adams Scholarship provides a tuition waiver for up to eight semesters of undergraduate education at a Massachusetts state college or university. The scholarship covers tuition only; fees and room and board are not included."

http://www.umass.edu/umfa/basics/costs/

Mitt Romney's Healthcare plan: Whiplash collars for all

...we're gonna need them if he gets elected.

Exactly Charlotte!! Of all the negative aspects of a potential Romney presidency, this is his biggest downfall. He can't tell the truth. He is blatantly lying about many issues and this Jeep issue is simply the most obviously example.

Former Gov. Gary Johnson, Libertarian, has a new fair consumption tax plan to keep American jobs on American soil, cut federal spending and balance the budget, and eliminate income and corporate tax. What do we really have left to lose voting for a different way of doing things? What's the point of bailing out businesses w taxpayer money here just to create lots and lots of new jobs in China, and then bragging about it, and patting oneself on the back for our investment genius? It's a shameful scam. That is all it is. Hope more for your country, and your own people. Stop throwing them both away. Be Libertarian. Live Free.

www.garyjohnson2012.com

Romney's plan wouldn't cost taxpayers billions to help the UAW. As far as moving Jeep, Here's the latest:
http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy

Mitt is a guy who was born on third base but thinks he hit a triple...

Bill, I checked out your website then I called Jeep directly.. May I suggest instead of relying on some blogger to go to the source.
Romney once against lies. anyone can blog anything. Always go to the source. You can call them yourself info below:
Jeep Corporate Office Headquarters
Chrysler Group LLC
1000 Chrysler Dr.
Auburn Hills, MI USA 48326-2766
Corporate Phone Number: 1-248-576-5741
Customer Service Number: 1-800-992-1997

Charlotte, above you wrote, "...May I suggest instead of relying on some blogger to go to the source," and claim you called Jeep. But here you used an often-found-wrong liberal left biased factcheck.org site. To me that doesn't pass the hypocrisy test.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/oct/23/size-us-navy-changed-1917

In 1917 the Navy had 342 ships. In 2011 the Navy had 285 ships. Source: US Defense Archives.

But, Charlotte, I took your advise and emailed my relative, a Lieutenant in the US Navy. He confirmed the Archive numbers and added, "Notice the Surface combatant level is the lowest since 1921, during Bush’s term. I think what Romney is trying to say is, with all the stuff going on worldwide that its important to get levels back to a higher force now so we can fight several campaigns at one time. We couldn't agree more."

Romney is correct about ships and the Navy agrees with his expansion strategy, peace through strength. Your factcheck is wrong, as so is your President.

Clearly Kim you have come under the evil delusions of Jack "Minster of Propaganda". Careful, after awhile u might start believing this s___t.

It's not about abortion and saving lives. It's about control.
it's all about control. Think out of the box if you can.
If the GOP cared so much about babies they wouldn't be cutting all of the aid these kids get. They wouldn't be going after planned parenthood and sesame street of all things. Then wanting to add two TRILLION to the military.

I don't know one women who wants to someone else ( the government ) to make a decision for them. I can not vote for a party who doesn't believe rape is rape. period.
Have you no mothers, sisters, daughters? What if it happened to them and they were only 12 years old. Is the GOP going to care for these kids what if it was your daughter? no.
Isn't the whole idea of the GOP is get big government out of our lives? I do not want to be ruled by someone's religion. do you?
I believe Romney will be making millions if he is elected & OK's 2 trillion for the military. That the military doesn't even want. Just like Chaney & Rumsfeld made millions from Halliburton,

Charlotte, you win BEST POST award. That rant was just 100% full of such delusional nonsense that I can't help but repeating: YOU are the Obama electorate.

And be honest. You didn't really call Jeep did you dear.

Jack, thanks for that awesome article written by an adviser to the Romney campaign. Don't worry, though, his opinions are his own. The $700 Billiion lie promoted by the right (and clearly distorted in this article) is that the $700 billion is savings which used to be paid to middlemen, and now the government no longer has to pay it. No benefits change. People should learn to check facts. If you read the article this guy is a shill for the Romney campaign.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/13/1119599/-The-700-Billion-Medicare-Cuts-2-Good-References-for-Rebuttal

What's with the name calling Dick? Head out for some coffee will ya

Hey ,Dick , YOu SOUND LIKE A TEA BAGGERS IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE ..... Name fits you.

Come on, Jack, this is, of course, tremendous success -- seeing as there are now 53 million uninsured Americans. We finally have a plan in place that will cover 23 million people who are without health insurance today.

Could we do better? Sure we could - if Republican jack-asses (yes, it was a pun) would get out of the way and allow for a single payer system to go foward. But of course, that would be (clutch your pearls, Jack) ....socialism. Oh, the horror!

I am shocked!!! Democrats lie!!! No way!!!

I just can't figure out how Obama and Casey ignore the will of the people all the time.

No one likes OBAMACARE.

According to newly released polling from Rasmussen Reports, by a margin of 15 percentage points (54 to 39 percent), likely voters now support the repeal of President Obama’s centerpiece legislation. In the first three polls taken in the wake of the House’s passage of Obamacare (on March 21, 2010), Rasmussen showed that likely voters then favored repeal by margins of 13 points (55 to 42 percent), 12 points (54 to 42 percent), and 12 points (54 to 42 percent). Cementing Obamacare would be the principal focus of Obama’s second term.

So Obamies biggest goal is doing something the American people don't want. ODD, who the heck would vote for that????

@Jack: Again, you seem to cherry-pick your sources. Again, they're completely biased "news" sources. CNSNews, a.k.a. Conservative News, with the tagline "The Right News. Right now." is a conservative "news" site which is 100% privately funded by right wing. Shocking that they would come up with evidence against Obamacare.

You can keep shoveling it, it still doesn't make it stink.

So you agree and admit that the Affordable Care Act is a success and a great step forward, then. Glad to hear it.

According to newly released polling from Rasmussen Reports, by a margin of 15 percentage points (54 to 39 percent), likely voters now support the repeal of President Obama’s centerpiece legislation. In the first three polls taken in the wake of the House’s passage of Obamacare (on March 21, 2010), Rasmussen showed that likely voters then favored repeal by margins of 13 points (55 to 42 percent), 12 points (54 to 42 percent), and 12 points (54 to 42 percent). Cementing Obamacare would be the principal focus of Obama’s second term.

NO ONE LIKES OBAMACARE!!!!

What President doesn't listen to the voters???

And yet, Mr. Jeblowmie (bet that name really attracted the ladies, you smooth operator) - when Americans are asked about the actual parts of Obamacare - like no pre-existing conditions, coverage for dependents through age 26, and pooled coverage that makes plans affordable for small businesses -- they overwhelmingly approve. Even the Republicans.

So it's not so much "Obamacare" that they're against, it's the "propaganda about Obamacare." Like yours.

...and Jack Minster will take to his fainting couch.

Don't worry Jack, Gallup and Rasmussen say Obama is toast! They are always right

Haywood, why don't you educate us? What is the $ figure?

Clear the decks - Jack's taken to clutching his pearls AND sprawling on the fainting couch. Dramatic? You betcha. Factual? Well, no, but we weren't really expecting that, were we?

After all, he's making a last ditch plea for a two-faced, bogus, fact-challenged candidate who only knows one way to campaign - tell everybody what they want to hear, and when the truth doesn't fit the sales pitch (which is usually) - make something up.

Jack, his Tea Party buddies, and the Republican leadership have been throwing as much manure at the Obama Presidency as they possibly can since the day he was sworn in. The Republican leadership met and pledged to obstruct everything the Obama Administration attempted on the very night of the Inauguration. The first Tea Party rallies were held a month after the Inauguration. We have been bombarded with a ceaseless barrage of anti-Obama propaganda from television, radio, newspapers and the Internet for the past four years.

And yet, the American people are about to re-elect him. Yes, this propaganda war - funded by literally billions of dollars from those who stand to gain even more billions with a Republican victory - will succeed in trimming down the margins from 2008.

But in the end, you don't win when your arsenal is filled with lies, hate and ignorance.

And Jack - that's all you've got. And it will never, ever be enough.

Bruce, just wait when Obama will be re-elected. All their rhetoric and all that right wing money, down the drain. They can't buy and lie their way into an election. And, they'll never understand that when Obama wins.

How do I know he'll win? Run the numbers - Mitt has a glacier's chance in the Arctic nowadays. Will thoroughly enjoy watching their paper mache heads blow up on election night.

Obstructionists in Federal Government: http://www.speaker.gov/general/what-do-dems-have-against-balanced-budget-amendment

Bruce, when Obama had complete control for 2 years with a Democrat majority in Congress, his sole move was to push through Obamacare without his party even knowing what was in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

Without one single Republican in Congress to support it.

Would any objective person in the entire world call that bi-partisan problem-solving - the kind of progress Romney did in 85% Democrat Mass?

Deflect-deny-ignore truth-blame others. Relying on Politfact and Factcheck sites authored by liberals with a single agenda: re-elect the Anointed One. Getting all your facts from a scientifically proven left-biased media. All this, when youtube has captured your heroes admitting their guilt, words and deeds, as part of the historical record not to be disputed.

100% spinning of fact and truth into a confusing Gordion's Knot spider web hoping to snare a gullible fly or two.

Bruce Bailey, YOU sir are the Obama electorate. Keep spinning.

Jackie, don't try that "complete control" baloney here. Not when Republicans could obstruct and threaten filibuster on every single bill introduced into the Senate. Don't utter such nonsense because it's not even remotely true. Republicans obstructed every effort this administration made for four years.

Oh Brucey pooh, if that were true, how the heck did the Democrats pass the stimulus or Obamacare. Stop making stuff up. We are hear to discuss the facts.

So speaking of the facts, if Bob Casey voted for all the budgets, isn't he irresponsible and unpatriotic for the debt? do you support the debts Bruce or should we listen to what Obamie said in 08

Candidate Obama: "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back - $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic." (July 3, 2008)

Obamie what happened? The debt is $17 Trillion!!

ok, so Obama and Casey voted yes for the 2008 budget that they blame on Bush?
Then Obama praises the 2009 budget which Casey voted yes to ($3.5 T spending with $1.5 trillion deficit) when it passed on a party vote - you know despite those Republicans and that raised the deficit another trillion plus?
Also in 2009 Casey voted yes and Obama signed the stimulus and that added nearly a trillion to the debt right? Did it lower jobs like Obama and Casey said it would....NO so they lied to us.
And in 2010, Casey voted yes for the Obama tax cuts.....yes if when Bush was in Office they were his tax cuts, then any and all tax cuts under Obama are Obama tax cuts.....you know the unpaid kind that add to the deficits.
Now how is it that Casey can say with a straight face that he is not responsible for the debt and deficits we have today when he is voting for all the things that create them.
Is this why he won't say YES to a balanced budget amendment because he won't be able to lie out of both sides of his mouth

It's not like this is hard to follow.
If you vote yes on the budget....you support the deficits and debt. RIGHT?

I can't believe Casey still says he is a Catholic boy lying like that.

Actually, Jack, my family is from that region - coal miners from Europe. Living in Shamokin, Mt Carmel, up to Plymouth. And, they all vote dems like their neighbors. They have no problem with the war on coal, having so many of the family buried in the mountains digging coal.

You paint a broad brush, my friend - you don't know the people of the mines.

Coal was great for the 19th century. Move on. We're 200 years + living in the past.
Look up new energy. Do some research.

Exactly, Sharpie - just look up along 61 next time anyone travels up to Centralia and see the line of wind turbines up along the ridge. Generating around $250k per 1/4 acre of land. The towns up there prefer the wind energy to coal anyday. Take a look at the man-made coal mountain from the Glen Burnie mine in Shamokin as nature has finally reclaimed the mountain with greenery. It's a pleasure these days to see green rather than black mountains. Now, to find a way to reinvigorate the "polish poconos" and help those economies (v. working at the Geisinger or the state prison).

Time to get over fossil fuels of the last century. America thrives economically when it invests in new technology. Time is now.

Locally, I know someone's cousin related to a grand-niece of someone from Shamokin...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204840504578086744160686344.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Central PA voted for ultra-conservative Republican Lou Barletta in 2010 against long-entrenched Democrat Paul Kanjorski by a 55%-45% margin. Pennsylvania elected a Republican Governor and majority in the state House and Senate. Then there was Pat Toomey.

Gov. Rendell sums up the mood among Democrats: "We're nervous."

Jack Minster - if you actually KNEW folk up there first hand - you'd know differently. Corbett is despised, he had first hand cover-up of the Sandusky scandal. Locals want Rendell back. Casey is winning in the polls. I know these folk, I lived with these folk - don't be a fool. We were when we went red, our bad, we're correcting course. Doubt you've ever even stepped foot into our towns.

Rendell back? He was so busy with his affairs to even pay attention. He is a glory hound. It's interesting though because even Rendell knows Obama and Casey are wussies!!!

Recently Rendell criticized President Barack Obama's lack of leadership on deficit reduction.

Maybe Fast Eddie could cut the spending and the deficit. We know Bob Casey and Obama can't!

Locally, ok you've convinced me. Everyone who has flown off Flying Turns at Knoebels and hit their heads are suddenly embracing liberalism, including the thousands of new Marcellus Republicans indebted to Corbett and Cawley.

Please keep posting, Locally. You are the Obama electorate. Desperately grasping at straws like Jack and Rose bobbing outside the Titanic.

And 5 or 6 of them are that same list....

@locally involved - Yes, wind energy is one step up from coal, but it's still not new energy. Keep digging for new energy info.

Obama went to a fundraiser in Vegas with his rich donors while 4 Americans were being murdered by terrorists that Obama blamed on some stupid video. Yeah, that's Presidential material right there!! I'm surprised he didn't squeeze in a few rounds of golf. Ah the hypocrisy......

Let us all know which lifetime Obama gives as much to Charity as Romney did last year alone. What was it $ 4 million?? From one person??? What a monster to be so generous!!!

The Romneys gave 29% of their income to charity in 2011. The Obamas gave 22%. Both pretty good in my estimation. Have to say it was probably a bit easier for the Romneys whose income as 17 times more than the Obamas - 13.7 MIllion to 790K

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-e71IDAUw&feature=share

Grasping at straws, Abraham, as Dem desperation mounts. But don't feel alone. The left is attempting to politicize the storm, attacking Romney and Ryan, for wanting to shift more responsibility for disaster relief from the federal government to the states.

They ignore the fact that Obama's proposal for the upcoming budget sequester would cut nearly $900 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, including disaster relief, food and shelter, and flood management at both the federal and state levels.

The cuts, detailed on pages 94 through 96 of the White House's sequestration proposal, released in mid-September, show how far the Obama administration has been willing to go in order to preserve the idea of tax hikes on "millionaires and billionaires" rather than reaching a comprehensive grand bargain on deficit reduction that does not place additional burdens on the economy or essential services.

Remember Bob Woodward one of two reporters who busted open Watergate? Youngsters won't. Bob notes in his definitive account of the debt ceiling negotiations, such a bargain was within reach in July 2011, before President Obama destroyed it.

Spin spin spin, Abraham. As Rendell says of PA Democrats, "We're nervous."

Yeah, Elle, that Lincoln guy didn't do a damn thing for America.

elle,

What the f^&% do you know about my finances? I've never been the beneficiary of any kind of government "handout" not even a scholarship or loan as a student. Paid for my kids education without a single cent of government help too. So kiss by a$$.

As for the "Abrahams don't serve our county" comment... Sounds just a bit anti-semitic. So elle, why don't you link over the the National Museum of American Jewish Military History and read the bio of Medal of Honor and Distinguished Services Cross recipients. Several of them are actually named Abraham...

http://www.nmajmh.org/index.php

Do you have a mortgage? Carry any credit card debt? Student loans? Car payments? If so, what's your excuse for not balancing your budget?

Obamie - "I will cut the deficit in half" - up $7 trillion
Obamie - "the debt is unpatriotic and irresponsible" - up $7 trillion
Obamie - "I take responsibility" = Blame others
Obamie - "American Deaths not optimal" - it's a video's fault
Obamie = "I pomise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington" - Think Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi
Obamie - "Republicans blocked me" - he was willing to take on Republican “obstructionism” in the name of a long-cherished liberal goal of overhauling the health-care industry but not to combat the unemployment crisis.

The one thing he said that will come true....

If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition." - President Barack Obama on NBC's "Today," February 2, 2009:

Today is year 4 for all of you mathematically challenged......

Thanks for your insights into the Romney electorate Elle.
Remember Elle, you are the Romney Electorate, along with a bunch of gullible fools who can trust a liar with the keys to our nation. Keep raging Elle, your comments embarrass me with their nonsense and vitriol. You go girl.

Good info but don't expect the tea bagging nuts like to look at it. These people aren't interested in logic or reason.... November 6th can't come soon enough.

Tea bagger? Name calling again.....that's all they have folks

here's one right back at ya...Democrats are fleabaggers......once they attach onto you, you cannot get rid of them like fleas.

Any sign of any jobs today? I know the deficit grew by another $50 billion.

Obamie is quite the failure....

So let me get this right, a guy who named himself "Haywood Jeblomie" is offended by the term "tea bagger" (a term the tea party gave THEMSELVES during their early founding).

Thanks for the laughs....

I am not offended Richard H(ead). I just was hittin ya back.

I know you cannot win on facts so we just playin right

What logic or reason would you like to discuss?

Don't call Romney a Teabagger. Everyone know he is a carpetbagger. Duh.

HUH David - Hillary Clinton yes....Romney???

Here is the insights into an Obama voter by their own admission

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Jack, Jack, Jack... I posted the correction last time you posted this lie about the "scientific study" from CMPA and now you're repeating the lie. Sounds like something your mancrush Mitt would do... Anyway, were it is again.

The study by CMPA you refer to was limited to comparative coverage of the Republican primary race in New Hampshire over a ten day period in January. Here's the press release -http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_1_18_12.html
It was not a study of overall broadcast practices of the networks.

Anyone with half a brain who watches Fox or MSNBC for 90 seconds realizes that both have extreme slants. In my opinion Fox is far more slanted - it's basically a Republican propaganda machine.

From the CMPA press release:

"This study covered 118 stories on the Republican primaries from January 1 to the January 10 New Hampshire primary on the evening newscasts of ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX (the first half hour of Fox News Channel’s “Special Report”, which is most like the network news shows in content and presentation). This is the first release from CMPA’s ongoing 2012 Election News Watch Project. For information on our methodology see: http://cmpa.com/about_methods.htm "

And oh BTW Jack, while it is associated with GWU, CMPA is primarily funded by conservative sources and it's president, S. Robert Lichter, is a paid contributor to Fox News. There is a 2007 study produced by the CMPA that concluded Fox News is more balanced, but again that study was funded by conservative sources.

Specifically more than 80% of CMPA's funding comes from the John M. Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundations and the Smith Richardson Foundation. These three foundations are also major contributors to right wing think tanks/propaganda machines like the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Project for the New American Century and the Hudson Institute.

Maybe if you and your friends here would watch a little less Fox and gathered information from truely balanced sources, you would a little more in touch with reality.

And oh BTW Jack, while it is associated with GWU, CMPA is primarily funded by conservative sources and it's president, S. Robert Lichter, is a paid contributor to Fox News. There is a 2007 study produced by the CMPA that concluded Fox News is more balanced, but again that study was funded by conservative sources.

Specifically more than 80% of CMPA's funding comes from the John M. Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundations and the Smith Richardson Foundation. These three foundations are also major contributors to right wing think tanks/propaganda machines like the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Project for the New American Century and the Hudson Institute.

Maybe if you and your friends here would watch a little less Fox and gathered information from truely balanced sources, you would a little more in touch with reality.

Plus the fact that the so-called "non-biased" CMPA is actually a wingnut echo chamber in its own right. From Wikipedia:

"The media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) has challenged CMPA's non-partisan claim, based on the argument that much of its funding has come from conservative sources, and that its founder, Dr. S. Robert Lichter, once held a chair in mass communications at the American Enterprise Institute and was a Fox News contributor.[18][19] ...

"The left leaning political organization MediaTransparency (now run by Media Matters for America, itself a liberal organization[21]) documented that between 1986 and 2005 CMPA received 55 grants totaling $2,960,916 (unadjusted for inflation). The organization, which collated information from returns filed by numerous conservative foundations, claimed that 86% of CMPA's total funding came from conservative-leaning foundations.[citation needed] In response to Media Transparency's claims, CMPA posted on its website a listing of $1,766,500 in grants received from 19 "non-conservative" and centrist foundations and non-profit organizations.[22]"

The article also notes that CMPA is not an official part of George Mason University, but is simply "affiliated" with the school.

Jackie will, of course, challenge this as either an example of Wikipedia being biased, or the facts being biased, or something -anything! - that keeps him safely in the right-wing bubble of comfort.

Mr. Minster,
Just keep deluding yourself...it's what the desperate do when the facts upset them. You quoting that dis-proven and misleading study about Fox News (that's already been shown to be a fraud and misleading) is exactly the mistake your side seems repeat over and over...in the face of real facts that disagree with your position, instead of admitting you're wrong you delude yourself by quoting information that even you know is false to make your case.
GOP positions on Evolution, Global warming, Obama's birth certificate, etc...each have been shown many times to be false but has been repeated over and over by the extreme Conservatives and nut cases in your party....you obviously aren't interested in real facts, you will believe whatever supports your argument.
That's why you believe a lying fraud like Romney who is nothing but a wind-sock when it comes to political positions, he says what you want to hear and you believe it (I suspect even you know it's BS)
In the end however It will come back to bite you...making policy choices using dis-proven theories and bogus science means that sooner or later you damage your own reputation and cause problems that can be traced back to your ignorance. And I see you've decided to continue that tradition here in spades!